I'm so sorry about Kevin's job, Julie. I hope he doesn't lose it. I really don't think it matters what level of income you are at, if you lose your job you lose any income, and that plus needing money for mortgage and food etc is just as painful for anyone.

Oh, Julie! As usual, we seem to be walking parallel paths. I can understand your worries about Kevin's job. We're having the same worries here. I never take my money issues outside of my blog and actually find that I have no one to discuss them with, online or IRL. It's very lonely.

{{{{{hugs}}}} to you and your family. I hope Kevin makes it through the reorganization.

{{{{{Julie & Kevin}}}}} I hope he doesn't lose his job.

You know what impression I got from meeting you and Kevin and being in your home? That you guys have worked your asses off for everything you have. I think that is very cool, and (I probably should shut up now because this is none of my business but.....) if anyone begrudges you that, shame on them.

My SIL has always begrudged my DH's parents for their financial status. It pisses me off. My FIL seriously worked his ass off and I am proud of them. They earned it, they deserve it.

I will keep you guys in my thoughts, I sincerely hope Kevin doesn't lose his job.

BTW, I saw the pics you posted of the kids. Gavin is looking so BIG! He has such a handsome face, he really is a cute kid. And Seren. Wow. She is absolutely beautiful. She is just the spitting image of you. :-)

{{{Julie}}}} i hope you know that i do understand. i am sorry that i didn't respond in the thread to you but I am honestly just as shy of the money threads as you. i gave my support to the OP and i should have given it to you, too...it wasn't intentional but i understand how it must feel to you.
{{{more hugs}}}} and i will keep your family in my thoughts and prayers.

Julie...I'm sorry you were upset about that thread and the lack of response to your situation. I know money issues are very sensitive for you particularly at MS, but in this instance I don't think it's personal. There were three other people I can think of off the top of my head who ALSO posted that they were also in difficult financial situations right now, and given that none of them got individual hugs or sympathy for their situation I really don't think it's personal. I really don't. I think instead people were offering commiseration and trying to say that they really understood my situation. I'm willing to bet that if you started a separate thread, you would get individual support and hugs and that the reason you didn't in this case was because there were so many others in the same situation, KWIM?

(((Julie))) Once again, I'm freaking tired, and unable to respond as I wish. Money problems are money problems, and a stressor in some way, no matter what socio-economic level one happens to inhabit. And the truth is, poverty level or middle income, so many of us are only a paycheque or two away from being homeless.

I love you, even if you are swimming in it. And when the poor rise up, I will stop them from eating you. (OK, the last paragraph is me being goofy. The lack of sleep and tequila shots are going to my head, obviously.)

am I missing something here?!?! I've read this latest entry 3 or 4 times and the comments don't seem to fit. Everyone seems to be commenting on a conversation that was started somewhere else.........you bloggers remind of those cliques that segregated themselves from the others during high school(you star-bellied sneeches, you!).
Well, here are my thoughts on the ENTRY titled "Cycle of Inner and Outer";
This has happened to you SO many times. You make so much effort to create a world to live in that is ideally based. You remind me of my wife when I hear of you doing such things. How many other times has this exact situation occurred to you? That alone is enough for a thread among the THREE of us in itself. The problem is others, not you my kindred spirit. Most others are NOT honest with themselves, let alone their "friends". I found this out recently from my trip to seattle. The depth of relationship I require is one VERY FEW people can fill. This kind of touches on the recent discussion the THREE of us just finished, it was one of those qualities that I was always looking for, but never found. Its why I have only a couple of real friends. That woman in Seattle, even if I were available she wouldn't be adequate for my needs/standards. She just isn't there in terms of what I require for a partner in life. What I have found in the relationships I have nurtured is that they are not only rare, but take lots of effort. More effort than most even put into their marriages, let alone their friendships. So, until you come across (yes, real friends are about as easy to find as spouses)people that are just as willing to put a great deal of effort into a friendship as they do their other BIG commitments, this will continue to happen. The problemis, the only way to find them, is to wade through shit like this. Whether you like it or not, your very person sets you apart from most of the rest of any kind of 'normal' community. And in that respect, you are most like me; no matter how hard you try to "fit in and be normal", you just won't. Because of the way we have decided to lead our lives, with truth at the forefront, most find us hard to deal with. Some cannot even handle your/our stark perspective on what we see in front of us. When I was alone and wanted so much the company of 'real' heartfelt conmpanionship, I asked alot of girls out. But insted of no, I always got some lame excuse, or worse yet, I recall a few times asking a woman out on a date and she agreed(!), only to have her never show up. I tore myself up for years wondering why people can't just say what they mean. I blamed myself for being too uptight, it seriously affected my self esteem. I resigned myself to spending my free time alone and NOT giving up my ideals. Spent alot of saturday nights sitting on the edge of the valley in oceanside, smoking a joint, looking at the world and wondering where my place was..........
Now I know exactly where it is, I've been there all along. right were I am. Take life with a grain of salt, even if it IS bad for your blood pressure(pun intended). Just like when we were much younger, most people DO suck and can't face up to their own responsibility. The only thing age has showed me is that I was mostly correct, the few out there that I DO call friends will be there until the day I die. I love you and always will.
no one

Holly...yes, I fully agree -- that's why this is my pathetic selfish whine of the day while being vulnerable :) I am absolutely NOT completely upset about it.

imp... I love you as well and I understand completely what you are saying. I looked into those flight prices yesterday -- $100 RT but no companion fares... will keep checking. I know what you say is true and yet it happens to me repeatedly -- that's the cycle. I used to be so much more adept at just not giving a flying fuck. I used to not care about having friends or having community and I'm starting to get back to that point. When I started on this path of parenting, I felt really alone in my suburban jungle of a neighborhood that I really needed to make a community. As I'm becoming more and more secure with myself and who I am as a parent, it doesn't really matter anymore. I'm so fortunate to have the bond that the THREE of us have. It's like being an Oreo cookie ;-)

Love, me
P.S. I'll miss you on Samhain but your wife says we are on for Yule.

Oh ((((((Jules)))))))

ITA with Holly. I am certain that had you posted an original, stand alone post, you'd have received lots of love, hugs & support.

I am sorry you felt hurt.

All my warmth, love & care,

{{Julie}}
Fwiw, when I read your post in that thread I was in a "read-only" mode and didn't reply. At the time, I was thinking that I would come back to it and post to you. Shit, after reading this, it would seem as though I were insincere if I posted now...but it truly was my intention.
When I read it, I even thought about the fact that you would be hurt if no one responded to you. DAMN! I feel terrible that I just read it and didn't take the few seconds to post to you.
I do think that it was "hidden" also, which might contribute to the lack of responses.
I am sorry, Julie. I did read it, and I *do* care.

Well, you'll all be happy to know that at least for now, Kevin appears to have a job. One in which he is unhappy, paid much much less but a job nonetheless. I just want to clarify that I knew my post was hidden and that it wasn't an OP -- I understand why no one responded...that's why it was a pathetic whine o the day.

If a Margie hugs in a thread and no one hears it, did it even happen? :P

I had to go back and check, but yeah, it's there.

I am glad to read your 27 Oct message above...sort of! Having a job one doesn't want is not necessarily the thing to inspire joy. But, a job is better than none. I'm sorry you had to worry about this, J & K.

Margie

((julie)) what margie said, except that I'm was too lame to have offered the hugs in the first place. isn't margie great that way? :P

but I am sorry that you're feeling alone and insecure. ((hugs))

I know I said I'd stop... (stuck on Oreos - you can't eat just one)

Last comment, I promise!

I didn't even see your post (let alone read through that long thread = simply cause I didn't have the time and don't think i had anything to offer (excpet to put in my usual plug for VW vans :))) (was that enough parenthesis?)

BUTTT>>>> (there is a point in here somewhere)

I would have made an empathetic comment if I had seen it. Truly.

I dont' have money issues (do i?) and don't do a mental monetary equation whenever someone po0sts, so I can't help you there - except to know that not everyone equates Julie wiht money or no money. Does that help?